Childbirth training would have you believe that breathing right and "understanding the process" is enough to moderate the pain of giving birth. Horrible guilt load to dump on a woman in labor. There are things I can do that can help my chronic pain, but they are very short term, very limited in degree of help, and not entirely in my control. We really need a ground-up reevaluation of assumptions and methodology being taught about chronic pain.
Perfect example! Yes, breathing through the pain of labour helps...a little. For some people childbirth is agony, for others its unbearable. Any kind of complication and the pain usually becomes unmanagable. Yes, you're right. Women are guilted into managing the pain, no matter how bad it gets! It IS horrible! What about when the birth goes wrong, the baby gets stuck, and a woman is labouring for 40 hours. Shes still supposed to 'breathe' through it? Worst of all, this idea has set up almost a 'competition' that some women play, a kind of 'who's the strongest' with their labour stories. Its all pretty gross. For the record, I needed an epidural for both my labours. And I was very grateful for it.
And you're right, we do need a ground up re-evaluatoin of the 'science'. I have been deep diving in to the evidence for literaly years...most of the last decade. and the 'evidence' is largely fabricated or manipulated. It does NOT hold up. Certainly not for people with secondary (biological/structural/pathological/nociceptive) pain. Forcing people to 'live with it' is brutality.
Like we wouldn't turn our brains off if we could? I would think that throughout the centuries, someone--just ONE person--would have successfully done it so that the knowledge would have been passed down and the rest of us could do it today. Then there would never have been a need for medication for ANY ailment.
Exactly, Gina! Exactly. Even Moseley himself admits to having chronic pain. If the great man himself cannot 'retrain his brain' how could mere plebs like us possibly do it? And where is this person's integrity??? Honestly? Ethics???
Sadly, those of us with severe chronic pain require medication, both disease modifying and pain relieving. But the pain relieving medication has been taken away, because phsysicans have been taught we can just learn about pain and make it go away. Wishful thinking? Because it sounds utterly ludicrous, when framed like that, IMO. No intelligent person could believe that.
I spoke to an MD at a pain clinic, who told me a patient he knew had gone to a pain clinic with severe pain from a documented medical condition. The clinic's suggestion? Try guitar lessons.
I'm sure this ridiculous "treatment" arises from the whole "pain is a thing of the mind" narrative, and the listing of "distraction" as a form of treatment for pain. Distraction can work, very temporarily, and I believe only for pain that a person knows will be of limited duration. For pain that has gone on a long time, from a cause the person knows will never go away, "distraction" as well as many of the other so-called treatments: acupuncture, yoga, meditation, mindfulness, swearing (I swear! cussing is a recommended pain treatment) is a cruel fraud.
Distraction therapy. Only works for mild to moderate pain. And maybe you're right, only when the pain is of limited duration. I have lived with mild, moderate, intermittent and constant, severe, disabling pain. Distraction only works with mild or maybe moderate, pain. YOu cannot be distracted from severe pain! And if you could they'd have guitars in the ER, and they'd hand them out, right?
THe fundamental lie that doctors have been taught is that 'chronic pain' is never severe pain. Acute pain can be severe, but not chronic pain. Chronic pain is always mild to moderate and amplified by psychological factors, So to reduce the pain you just treat those psych factors - anxiety, fear, depression, plus give education. And/or distraction therapies. I don't know how intelligent, highly educated people have been so easily fooled by a guy with a stage show and a bunch of Dad jokes. But here we are. Hmmm...this can be todays 'ReExplaining Pain article...lol.
A cruel fraud indeed. A decades ago doctors dismissed acupuncture, meditation, as junk treatments. No evidence they help. THen, when opioids were demonised, suddenly they were worthwhile and effective treatments. Suddenly all the studies that said they hwere shame disappeared and now there were studies showing good efficacy. Hmmmm. Science, right? Makes me so angry. How do these people live with themselves????
I had to LOL at the idea of handing out guitars in the ER!
The lies about pain and pain treatment are so many, it's ridiculous. In a weird way, it makes me kind of glad that my pain is caused by a birth defect of my pancreas. There was never any way that some white coat was going to convince me that something that wakes me from sound sleep could be affected by a psychological component, and of course, there's no PT (yet) for pancreas fitness.
I think a lot of people are easy to fool because their experiences of pain have been limited to pain whose cause is obviously going to resolve (e.g., broken leg), and whose experience of "mind altering" substances is limited to alcohol, so they imagine that anything that can affect any part of the brain is going to make a person uncoordinated, easily distracted, logic-impaired, memory-impaired, and too cognitively impacted to be able engage in any function more complex than operating a TV remote.(or a guitar? I wouldn't know, I don't play).
Acupuncture, as well as pretty much all "traditional Chinese medicine" has been known to be a fraud perpetrated by the Chinese Communist party, going back to the 1970s. Communist China had a serious lack of modern doctors, so convincing the population of China that there were ancient Chinese alternatives was useful. But then a reporter for the American publication "Parade Magazine" was allowed to observe an "acupuncture only" surgery - which was a fraud, as the patient had been loaded up with morphine before being wheeled into the OR. The Parade writer bought it. But other Americans didn't.
The anti-opioid hysteria props up a lot of pseudo science and pseudo medicine. All of the above fits in with the addiction hysteria. It's a gigantic melange of social contagion, careers built upon unsubstantiated beliefs, and lots and lots of government funding. Sadly, the smart people are easily convinced that what they think has to be right, and are less likely than regular plebs to be willing to re-examine their beliefs.
Childbirth training would have you believe that breathing right and "understanding the process" is enough to moderate the pain of giving birth. Horrible guilt load to dump on a woman in labor. There are things I can do that can help my chronic pain, but they are very short term, very limited in degree of help, and not entirely in my control. We really need a ground-up reevaluation of assumptions and methodology being taught about chronic pain.
Perfect example! Yes, breathing through the pain of labour helps...a little. For some people childbirth is agony, for others its unbearable. Any kind of complication and the pain usually becomes unmanagable. Yes, you're right. Women are guilted into managing the pain, no matter how bad it gets! It IS horrible! What about when the birth goes wrong, the baby gets stuck, and a woman is labouring for 40 hours. Shes still supposed to 'breathe' through it? Worst of all, this idea has set up almost a 'competition' that some women play, a kind of 'who's the strongest' with their labour stories. Its all pretty gross. For the record, I needed an epidural for both my labours. And I was very grateful for it.
And you're right, we do need a ground up re-evaluatoin of the 'science'. I have been deep diving in to the evidence for literaly years...most of the last decade. and the 'evidence' is largely fabricated or manipulated. It does NOT hold up. Certainly not for people with secondary (biological/structural/pathological/nociceptive) pain. Forcing people to 'live with it' is brutality.
Like we wouldn't turn our brains off if we could? I would think that throughout the centuries, someone--just ONE person--would have successfully done it so that the knowledge would have been passed down and the rest of us could do it today. Then there would never have been a need for medication for ANY ailment.
Exactly, Gina! Exactly. Even Moseley himself admits to having chronic pain. If the great man himself cannot 'retrain his brain' how could mere plebs like us possibly do it? And where is this person's integrity??? Honestly? Ethics???
Sadly, those of us with severe chronic pain require medication, both disease modifying and pain relieving. But the pain relieving medication has been taken away, because phsysicans have been taught we can just learn about pain and make it go away. Wishful thinking? Because it sounds utterly ludicrous, when framed like that, IMO. No intelligent person could believe that.
I spoke to an MD at a pain clinic, who told me a patient he knew had gone to a pain clinic with severe pain from a documented medical condition. The clinic's suggestion? Try guitar lessons.
I'm sure this ridiculous "treatment" arises from the whole "pain is a thing of the mind" narrative, and the listing of "distraction" as a form of treatment for pain. Distraction can work, very temporarily, and I believe only for pain that a person knows will be of limited duration. For pain that has gone on a long time, from a cause the person knows will never go away, "distraction" as well as many of the other so-called treatments: acupuncture, yoga, meditation, mindfulness, swearing (I swear! cussing is a recommended pain treatment) is a cruel fraud.
Distraction therapy. Only works for mild to moderate pain. And maybe you're right, only when the pain is of limited duration. I have lived with mild, moderate, intermittent and constant, severe, disabling pain. Distraction only works with mild or maybe moderate, pain. YOu cannot be distracted from severe pain! And if you could they'd have guitars in the ER, and they'd hand them out, right?
THe fundamental lie that doctors have been taught is that 'chronic pain' is never severe pain. Acute pain can be severe, but not chronic pain. Chronic pain is always mild to moderate and amplified by psychological factors, So to reduce the pain you just treat those psych factors - anxiety, fear, depression, plus give education. And/or distraction therapies. I don't know how intelligent, highly educated people have been so easily fooled by a guy with a stage show and a bunch of Dad jokes. But here we are. Hmmm...this can be todays 'ReExplaining Pain article...lol.
A cruel fraud indeed. A decades ago doctors dismissed acupuncture, meditation, as junk treatments. No evidence they help. THen, when opioids were demonised, suddenly they were worthwhile and effective treatments. Suddenly all the studies that said they hwere shame disappeared and now there were studies showing good efficacy. Hmmmm. Science, right? Makes me so angry. How do these people live with themselves????
I had to LOL at the idea of handing out guitars in the ER!
The lies about pain and pain treatment are so many, it's ridiculous. In a weird way, it makes me kind of glad that my pain is caused by a birth defect of my pancreas. There was never any way that some white coat was going to convince me that something that wakes me from sound sleep could be affected by a psychological component, and of course, there's no PT (yet) for pancreas fitness.
I think a lot of people are easy to fool because their experiences of pain have been limited to pain whose cause is obviously going to resolve (e.g., broken leg), and whose experience of "mind altering" substances is limited to alcohol, so they imagine that anything that can affect any part of the brain is going to make a person uncoordinated, easily distracted, logic-impaired, memory-impaired, and too cognitively impacted to be able engage in any function more complex than operating a TV remote.(or a guitar? I wouldn't know, I don't play).
Acupuncture, as well as pretty much all "traditional Chinese medicine" has been known to be a fraud perpetrated by the Chinese Communist party, going back to the 1970s. Communist China had a serious lack of modern doctors, so convincing the population of China that there were ancient Chinese alternatives was useful. But then a reporter for the American publication "Parade Magazine" was allowed to observe an "acupuncture only" surgery - which was a fraud, as the patient had been loaded up with morphine before being wheeled into the OR. The Parade writer bought it. But other Americans didn't.
The anti-opioid hysteria props up a lot of pseudo science and pseudo medicine. All of the above fits in with the addiction hysteria. It's a gigantic melange of social contagion, careers built upon unsubstantiated beliefs, and lots and lots of government funding. Sadly, the smart people are easily convinced that what they think has to be right, and are less likely than regular plebs to be willing to re-examine their beliefs.